Headshot:† Photographer Unknown
Muscle & Bodybuilder, May 1983
He was an all-around
athlete in high school, as well as a member of the National Honor Society for
academic excellence.† Going on to
Over the years,
This interview took place at
BODYBUILDER:† What made you stop competing?
BB:† Do you feel that the situation is the same now as it was then?
BB:† So why are you returning to competition?
RC:† Because Iím a fighter.† Because itís in my blood.† And because Iím at the prime age to compete.† Iím in my early 30s, and your 30s to 40s are your best years in bodybuilding.† Thereís no question about that.
BB:† Did you still work out during your four-year layoff?
RC:† Oh, yeah, sure.† Iíve always trained. Itís just a matter of intensity.
BB:† When we talked briefly at Goldís Gym a few weeks ago, you said that you feel youíll be able to approach competitive bodybuilding with more maturity than beforeóthat you feel youíve matured a lot since you last competed.† What makes you say that?
RC:† Because now I know what to expect. Knowing that bodybuilding is a political sport, accepting that youíre being judged by five or six people on a somewhat subjective standard, knowing that when you compete you must have your own personal level of excellence rather than defining yourself solely by other peopleís opinions of you.† The guy just coming in doesnít know about the political aspect, the jealousies, the envies that occur.† He doesnít know all the little subtle things that are going to happen to him because heís a bodybuilder.† Unless heís prepared for that, it can make him or break him.
BB:† What is your definition of ďplaying politicsĒ in bodybuilding?
RC:† You can either be a ďnice
guyĒ and be sincere with people, trying to make an attempt to get along
with them, or you can go 180 degrees the other way and make a fool out of
yourself trying to do it.† I play it by
ear.† If I sense something about people
that I like, Iíll talk to them, regardless of their position. They might like
you more than they like
BB:† Do you think that a bodybuilder has to play politics to get ahead?
RC:† No!† No, he doesnít.† Of course, he canít be obnoxious, but he can keep to himself.† As a matter of fact, he will get further if he does.
BB:† What is your biggest fear as you start training again?
RC:† I have no fears.
BB:† As you look around the bodybuilding scene, what things are the same?
RC:† The names are still the same.† Bodybuilding has not yet gone beyond the era that really made bodybuildingóthe Ď70s.† Names that were prominent in the Ď70s are still the names that are prominent today.
BB:† Whatís the biggest difference?
RC:† You see a lot of new guys that come and go real fast.† Boom, gone, because of the heavy use of steroids and because they really arenít sure of what to do.
BB:† What type of training are you using now, and how does it differ from your training when you were competing before?
RC:† It really doesnít differ at all.† Iíve always used a high-intensity, low-time duration workout.† I keep the sets lowómaybe ten or twelve sets per body partókeep the intensity high, the weights as high as possible for perfect form.† I donít train more than six times a week, and I donít train for more than an hour and a half per session.† Iím in the gym, and Iím out of the gym.† The only thing thatís different is that I have more confidence in what Iím doing.† I donít worry and anticipate whatís going to happenóis this going to work, or should I try this exercise?† I know what works.† And I just do it.† Thatís a nice feeling, to have confidence in your game plan.
BB:† What are your feelings when youíre actually competing?
RC:† When Iím on stage, I think only of the audience and what Iím trying to do, never about my competitors.† I try to relate to the audience, because I realize that it is a show and that the audience is there to have a good time.† I feel a sense of responsibility to be at my best when Iím competing on stage.
BB:† One bodybuilder told me he doesnít even hear the audience when they clap!
RC:† Well, I hear them!
BB:† Whatís a bodybuilder supposed to look like when heís on that stage?
RC:† Heís supposed to have a high-speed look while heís standing still. Heís supposed to be the epitome and the embodiment of all of masculinity and of all athletics.† He is supposed to look like he could do anything.† He also has to have a sense of grace and dignity, and if he imparts that, thatís what makes a champion.
BB:† What do you like best about bodybuilding?
RC:† The people you meet, the camaraderie, the friends that Iíve made over the years, the traveling.† But the very best thing is seeing the progress in bodybuilders who have asked me to help them train; Iíve helped them, and they completely change, gaining maybe 40 to 50 pounds.† Iíve had hundredsóliterally hundredsóof people that Iíve done this with, and each time itís great!† I finally turn them loose, then theyíre on their own. Sometimes I wonder if they remember me, but I think they do.
BB:† Who are your best friends in bodybuilding?
RC:† I have quite a few, but in particular Iíd
have to say
BB:† What is the most difficult part of bodybuilding for you?
RC:† Dealing with the mentality that does not understand why youíre in the gym, training in a business-like way; people who donít understand that intensity, that total involvement.† All they see is that youíre a famous bodybuilder, and they walk up to you while youíre training and start talking.† They just do not have the insight into that intensity, because theyíve never wanted or had the discipline to try that hard at anything in their lives.† So it is something theyíll never understand, because they cannot push themselves to that limit.† It takes special kinds of people to want to push themselves.† Thatís like when a coach sees athletes who really want to work harder and want to learn, so he helps them a little more.† He doesnít do it with everyone because he knows thereís no sense in it; not everyone has that desire.
BB:† Do you handle interruptions differently today than you used to?
RC:† Yes.† Before, I would tell people, ďLook, Iím training.† I donít want to talk about it.Ē† Now, maybe Iíll say something and casually walk away and get back to my business.† Iím a little more patient with people nowóa little more tolerant of their lack of understanding.
BB:† What do you feel is the biggest negative aspect of bodybuilding?
RC: †Getting involved with all the gossip, with all the little interplays that are going onóthis oneís mad at that one, do you think this guyís any good, what do you think of his arms, what do you think of his back, do you think heís going to make it, whatís he taking, what do you take, what are you going to compete in?† Try to stay away from all the petty involvements, because it really goes nowhere.† Know what youíre going to doógo to the gym, work out, go home!† Donít use the gym as a social club, because if youíre going to get involved with a lot of things that are not really associated with competitive bodybuilding, you get sidetracked.
BB:† Since you operate your own solar-heating business and also work as an actor and advertising model, do you find it difficult to schedule your training time?
RC:† No.† Training does not consume a great deal of time.† Most people waste two hours a dayómore, I would think.† So take that time you waste and use it!† The problem is that most people use a great deal of time to train, but you grow in the shortest, not the longest, period of time.† At my level you can train an hour a day and win any title.† I donít care what anyone says.† The hardest thing about working out is getting up and going to the gym.† Not training!† The hardest part about running is putting on your shoes.† What is difficult is getting emotional time away from people who see training as showing selfishness to them.† In other words, some people view it as time that could be spent on them rather than time on yourself.
BB:† What about bodybuilders who become very irritable around contest time?† Is that true about you?
RC:† No.† Their problem is dieting.† You should never diet!† You canít diet when youíre training for a contest.† You have to have good nutrition. Thereís a difference.† Dieting is cutting down, restricting, depriving your body of essential things that you need.† Thatís why those people become irritableódonít win contests.† Because theyíre trying to get from A to Z without going through the alphabet.† Theyíre trying to get there in a hurry.
BB:† How do you cut up then?
RC:† It takes time, just like everything else takes time. Itís a gradual process.† Itís not something where you drop 20 pounds in a week, because your body canít handle it.† You have to have good nutrition!† Your body has to have energy to grow.† You canít continue to grow if youíre not eating right, if youíre depriving your body by cutting out all carbohydrates and calcium-containing dairy products.
BB:† To you personally, what is the price of bodybuilding?† What is the payoff?† Do you have doubts that the payoff is worth the price?
RC:† There is really no price, if itís something
you truly want to do.† For a person who is a bodybuilder, who enjoys training,
there is no price.† Thatís a part of his
body.† Thatís a part of his life which is
essential for him to be himself.† If I
donít train, I cease to be
BB:† If you do really well in your contest, what are your plans?† If you donít do so well, what are your plans?
RC:† Well, my plans are always the same: I will train.† I know itís just a matter of time.
BB:† You sound very determined. Have you always been like this?
RC:† Yes.† Iím very intense.† At times, very aggressive.† When I want something, I go after it.† Ten years ago, the intensity and aggression were more volatile.† Now that Iím older, I have more of a sense of direction.† The intensity and concentration are still there, but the priorities are more clearly established.† When weíre initially striving for something we sometimes get lost in minor things, and they get mixed up in things that are important, and this is where friction occurs.† But keeping a clear-cut picture of what really means something and what really doesnít can come only through time, through falling on your face and picking yourself up.
BB:† Whatís important to you now?
RC:† My family, my friends.† Money and titles really donít mean anything.† Theyíre only an indicator of what kind of person you are.† Those titles show discipline and leadership qualities, but they donít necessarily mean that someone is a good person in his heart or that heís a person who loves and cares about other people, or any of the things that youíd want others to think about you rather than ďgreat bodybuilderĒ or ďgreat actor.Ē† Those things are nice, but when everything else is gone, the only things that mean anything are love and respect.
BB:† Now letís talk a little about your work as an actor.
RC:† Iíve always had the inclination toward
acting.† As a kid, my sisters and my
brother would always want me to imitate
BB:† Did you win for a specific role?
RC:† Yes, for playing ď
BB:† Do you know that your eyes shine when you talk about acting and show business?
BB:† Yes.† Your eyes look totally different than they did five minutes ago.
RC:† Oh . . . well, I enjoy it.† I get a great deal of satisfaction from it.† Bodybuilding is show business too, and I enjoy the show.† I donít enjoy the drudgery of the gym and all of the interplay that we were talking about before.† I donít enjoy that at all . . . .† Anyway, I like show business because it is the end product of everything youíve ever done.
BB:† How does a person advance in show business?
RC:† You have to produce.† Thereís a lot of money in show business, perhaps more than any other business.† Unless you produce, youíre costing the production company hundreds of thousands of dollars.† And, of course, you have to have talent.† Someone canít just say, ďThis is my friend; put him on the series.Ē† Acting looks easy, but itís very hard.† You have to be able to read and remember dialogue; you have to memorize what youíre going to say, and at the same time think about projecting the appropriate feelings.† There are a lot of other factors too, like where do you stop, where are your marksóa camera doesnít go everywhere!† Also, thereís every type of ethnic background, every type of religious background in show business, so you have to be able to get along with all kinds of people.† But mainly, what show business is all about is having the ability to make other people feel, when you do what you do!
BB:† Have you taken acting lessons, or do you consider your talent natural?
RC:† Pretty natural.† I donít like the word ďlessons.Ē† You can practice acting in class, but thereís really no substitute for being in front of a camera with a crew.† The only way you learn in bodybuilding or in anything else is the actual act of doing it.† It takes this contest, that contest, this performance, that performance.† Then, if you have talent, you start interjecting your individuality into it.† Thatís when you start becoming good at what you do.
BB:† How do you evaluate your own work as an actor?
RC:† Itís difficult.† I donít like a lot of people around when I watch my shows, because I want to watch very objectively.† I try to pretend that Iím not that person and see what I see in that performance.
BB: To whom or to what do you look for guidance in your career as an actor?
RC:† I look at other performances when Iím watching a movie, making a conscious effort to remember certain things that I like.† And in life, Iíll be doing something, and Iíll remember how I acted, how I felt, and Iíll use that.† Youíve got to remember embarrassment, excitement, hatred, and all the varying degrees of each emotion, and you have to remember what imparted that emotion and try to pull it out.
BB:† Do you prefer working in TV, movies, commercials, or print ads?
RC:† Movies, because you have time.† You can shoot a scene two or three times, and that gives you a little more lateral movement as an actor.† In TV the director shoots an episode in a weekóthatís itóand heís on to the next one.† If you said, ďWell, I think if I said this word a little slower or if I walked a little faster . . . ,Ē the director wouldnít even be listening to you.† His mind is way down the line, maybe two or three shows ahead.
BB:† What about commercials?
RC:† Commercials are the same as movies, with a lot of time taken to explore different approaches.† The more outrageous the approach, the better it is.
BB:† Have you been in a lot of print ads?
RC:† Yeah.† To me thatís the worst.† Youíre just standing there, and if youíre the only one, itís like a photo session.
BB:† When you see pictures of yourself in magazines or on the screen, do you ever get the feeling that youíre looking at another person?
RC:† Oh, yes!† A lot of times.† And Iíve had dreams where Iíve seen myself and have wondered if that was really me.
BB:† When you look in the mirror, what do you see?
RC:† I really donít think that much about it, you know.† I like myself.† I donít think Iím ugly, but . . . .
BB:† When you see pictures of yourself in magazines . . . ?
RC:† Talking about facial or body?
RC:† I donít think itís anything special.† I think the body is more special than the face.
BB:† Do you ever feel that you are the object of jealousy from other men because of your looks?
RC:† (very softly spoken) Of course.
BB:† How do you feel about this?
RC:† Frustrated.† What can you do?† Itís their shortcoming, not yours.† You canít carry their guilt.† Sometimes the only thing you can do is be an example.† Instead of reacting to them in a negative and slightly hostile way, trying to turn their heads around, Iíll do something nice to them, and then put it onto them, so they have to think about it.
BB:† Please comment on the following quotation
RC:† (long pause) Itís probably even worse for a man.† Because then they think he is egocentric, in love with himself, a gigolo, selfish, conceited.† It can be a handicap, because people are very vindictive and inherently very jealous, envious animals.† It becomes difficult, because people like to rationalize things so they can understand and relate to them.† And sometimes they canít relate to someone who looks totally different from the norm.† They have to deal with it negatively, because thatís the only way they can understand it.† Theyíll say, ďYeah, heís conceited, heís in love with himself. Thatís why heís not speaking to me.Ē† Not because heís busy, he works hard, heís disciplined, heís organizedónone of those other things.† Itís just because heís selfish.† That why people who are good-looking and have great bodies sometimes have to carry the burden of other peopleís shortcomings.† You have to be kind of callused about it; you really canít worry about it, because it is a mentality gap.
BB:† What questions do you wish interviewers would ask you?
RC:† (long pause) I think you already asked the most important questions, but in a different context.† ďHow do you feel about yourself when you look in the mirror?† How do you see yourself?Ē† Those are the most important questions, because how you see yourself is directly proportionate to how well you will do.† If you see yourself slightly differently than most people do, you have a slightly distorted perspective on yourself and on everything else.† So through peer appraisal, through your own self-analysis, through our own experience with ourselves, we become, in varying degrees, gifted in understanding and evaluating ourselves.† The degree to which we succeed in that is usually the degree to which we succeed in life, because we realize and deal with our shortcomings rather than trying to ignore or hide them.
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